Reef Discussion
So, Paula *waves to the lurker*, you see, he's doing well enough shooting himself in the foot without any input from us. Its all very well having a product for sale but if you behave like a smartarse prat to your potential client base, people won't want to deal with you.
And fwiw - I HATE not having a price to make my purchase decision on. I won't go into certain shops for that reason. I won't just grab it and stuff the cost - I have to budget down to the dollar so if its not clearly priced, I'm not buying. I'm not spending ages chasing a shop assistant to repeatedly ask for a price and I won't do it online either. If you are selling your product, name your price. If you a fair and decent seller, the price will speak for itself and sell the product. But if I get to the checkout and find the person I'm paying is an arrogant wank, I will probably still buy the product. That time. But not again.
And fwiw - I HATE not having a price to make my purchase decision on. I won't go into certain shops for that reason. I won't just grab it and stuff the cost - I have to budget down to the dollar so if its not clearly priced, I'm not buying. I'm not spending ages chasing a shop assistant to repeatedly ask for a price and I won't do it online either. If you are selling your product, name your price. If you a fair and decent seller, the price will speak for itself and sell the product. But if I get to the checkout and find the person I'm paying is an arrogant wank, I will probably still buy the product. That time. But not again.
i am a bit too tired to be looking at unpriced sale items. i don't deal well with excessive arrogance and egotism unfortunately. it grates very much with me. i had to ban myself before i got too frustrated with one place. i have better things to do with my time.
I know this is an old thread, but just wanted to share my experiences this evening on the very same topic... On a FB group page, one of the admins, who also works at a very well known LFS in the GC posted a question regarding Ricordea Florida, asking the group members whether they love theirs, or did they not like them and why...
I made a remark that since they were illegal in this country, that Im not fazed over them or not.
The same admin then commented that from "personal experience" he knows that it isnt that big of a deal, so keeping them now wasnt an issue, and everyone has them.
I then pasted a copy of a part of this thread regarding being illegal, fines, destruction of tank, and possible jail time, only to be laughed at.
When i then said I would prefer to follow the law, and not the personal experience of a fellow reefer, the post was deleted, then I was booted from the group the post was in.
Why in gods name do we have a well known employee of an LFS actually trying to promote reefers to keep this specimen? Then delete and boot when the legality is raised?
I made a remark that since they were illegal in this country, that Im not fazed over them or not.
The same admin then commented that from "personal experience" he knows that it isnt that big of a deal, so keeping them now wasnt an issue, and everyone has them.
I then pasted a copy of a part of this thread regarding being illegal, fines, destruction of tank, and possible jail time, only to be laughed at.
When i then said I would prefer to follow the law, and not the personal experience of a fellow reefer, the post was deleted, then I was booted from the group the post was in.
Why in gods name do we have a well known employee of an LFS actually trying to promote reefers to keep this specimen? Then delete and boot when the legality is raised?
I was standing in a shop when a customer was asking about all the illegal things he wanted to buy. The shop assistant is a good person and fairly cautiously tried to discourage them from even considering buying the marine life in question. The guy was too thick and full of himself to care. For him it was all about the status that would come with having illegal and "valuable" things in the tank as quickly as possible. He had also only just cycled the tank and was already adding a mandarin. I think there's a certain mentality in some people and those are the ones who are in it for status or to make a buck. They'll give it up as quick as they started and don't care about conservation or the environment.
I just gave up on those groups. I value myself and my own ethics more than a club for people with shrivelled up penises and pockets stuffed with cash. It's not why I belong to this hobby.
I just gave up on those groups. I value myself and my own ethics more than a club for people with shrivelled up penises and pockets stuffed with cash. It's not why I belong to this hobby.
Just got this reply to my email...
I apologise for the delay in responding. I have discussed this issue with the Department of the Environment, which is the agency responsible for the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 (EPBC Act). The EPBC Act establishes a list of specimens that are approved for live import (“List of Specimens taken to be Suitable for Live Import”). If a species is not on the list of approved imports, it cannot be imported into Australia. Ricordea florida is not on the list of approved species for import.
As the Department of the Environment has primary responsibility for the EPBC Act, they have requested that any matters relating to lawful possession or potential breaches of the EPBC Act be referred to wildlifetradecompliance@environment.gov.au.
I hope this information is of assistance.
Kind regards,
Emma McGrath
Technical Officer | Animal and Biological Import Assessments Branch
I apologise for the delay in responding. I have discussed this issue with the Department of the Environment, which is the agency responsible for the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 (EPBC Act). The EPBC Act establishes a list of specimens that are approved for live import (“List of Specimens taken to be Suitable for Live Import”). If a species is not on the list of approved imports, it cannot be imported into Australia. Ricordea florida is not on the list of approved species for import.
As the Department of the Environment has primary responsibility for the EPBC Act, they have requested that any matters relating to lawful possession or potential breaches of the EPBC Act be referred to wildlifetradecompliance@environment.gov.au.
I hope this information is of assistance.
Kind regards,
Emma McGrath
Technical Officer | Animal and Biological Import Assessments Branch
Thanks for the update @ToxicMel.
I think you will find that the argument used is that the Ricordea florida found in Australia were imported before the ban came into place - what is the status of these. It is illegal to import these corals, but is it illegal to possess them?
I think you will find that the argument used is that the Ricordea florida found in Australia were imported before the ban came into place - what is the status of these. It is illegal to import these corals, but is it illegal to possess them?
Difficult to prove isn't it, and you've got to wonder how many shits they give about investigating and enforcing it. In my mind the risks would be if you keep them and they somehow get into the waterways where they would grow, they may disrupt the natural balance of things. Not worth it for me or anyone really. But, people will do what they do.
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