Firstly, welcome! :welcome
The ???? coral looks like a Favia/Brain Coral.
Unfortunately the fish you have are not suitable for this size of tank. At all.
- Mixing clownfish breeds is not a good idea, I believe they could in time fight and even if not, three of them in a tank this size is too many. I would remove two and go with one pair of the same kind, they will be much happier and likely host your hammer coral. I would choose the Ocellaris.
- The blue tank needs a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger tank to be happy. Like 10x as big as your tank.
- Likewise the yellow tang, so glad in a way you had to return it. Don't replace it.
So my advice, take the 'Dory' back, take two of the clowns back, get another Ocellaris and pair it up, get another nano-suitable fish or two - like a Coral Goby.
Hi Reefuge, thank you for your post.Okay, enough is enough.
This is a tricky situation. On one hand, the community needs to follow the rules.
2. Abusing other members of the forum, harassing or trolling is forbidden. You may not post other members personal details against their will and you may not make hate posts about these members. Behavior like this will NOT BE TOLERATED and you will be banned. Only staff members are to warn other users for breaking rules. If there is a post / thread that you believe breaks a rule, please use the report button. This not only allows you to make an anonymous report, but allows our staff members to help prevent a thread being hijacked.
Rules like this are in place to keep the community nice and peaceful since we don't really delete/lock threads. So anything is up for discussion, as long as users debate respectfully with each other. This has not happened.
On the other hand, what @Azedenkae is doing is being cruel to the animals that rely completely on him to care for them. Since The Reefuge allows open-discussion, this thread and journal will not be censored. So, it seems we have a strange situation here.
As with everything in life there is a consequence to your actions. In this matter, I will be included in the consequence since I was unable to provide guidelines for situations such as this. So here is what we are going to do.
- Members who posted abusive messages will be issued a warning via our warning system. This is your consequence.
- You, @Azedenkae will share the consequence with me. This thread will remain open and from the time of this post, any and all messages posted by the members regarding your tank/you will not be moderated, regardless of if they break the rules or not. The only thing members may not post is personal information of ANY user. Your consequence is you will need to put up with it. My consequence is that I will also need to put up with it.
Normally this would not happen, but I draw the line at ethics. What you are doing is wrong and cruel, and the fact that you completely ignored the communities advice and pleas shows me that you have no intention of changing your view. You're welcome to use the forums and be a member of the community, but as long as you partake in animal cruelty, I will not be warning members for their posts to you, regardless of if they break the rules or not.
Thanks.
Hello @Azedenkae,Hi Reefuge, thank you for your post.
As I've discussed with someone else over private message, I am glad that there are still those on this forum who can discuss matters calmly and with reason, rather than name-calling and ignoring points of discussion, which contributes nothing.
From my point of view, discussions are simple. One side present evidence. If the other side doesn't agree, they provide evidence to counter-argue. Then if the first side disagrees, they then provide their counter-arguments and evidence. And so on.
It's rather frustrating to post evidence, then well... everything degenerates.
The reason why I respond still, is because I always want to adhere to that.
I am generally a calm person, however there are times when things go too far. And that includes not reading what I have posted, and shooting your mouth off at unaffiliated people.
As many are aware, I work for an aquarium store. I just received a phone call that someone actually complained directly to the store. Really? Why even?
They have nothing to do with my choices, and I've stated that repeatedly. What is that even for? Why stoop so low to do such a thing, beyond even calling me names? I can understand calling me names, as you're still dealing with me directly. I can still appreciate that when you aren't able to come up with a proper counter-argument, you can stoop to that.
But to underhandedly try something else because you're unable to come with a proper counter-argument?
Well that is awesome. :) No really, it is. I am glad that people (yes, more than one person) does that, as it goes to show what sort of community I am dealing with.
I am glad that there are those who are actually reasonable, I really am. Thank you The Reefuge and others-that-I-will-not-name, I can see you guys clearly disagree with me, but it's great that we can debate matters like ladies and gentlemen, rather than savages.
Anyways, long story short, I am going to stop posting about my tank, as there's really no point anymore. A number of things though:
1.) If you are going to attempt to respond to something, get your facts straight. It is rather pointless when you attempt to talk about something (such as a problem) that is non-existent.
2.) The Blue Tang is in there until it grows bigger. Could be a year. Could be a few months. Could be next week. I said that repeatedly.
3.) The Clownfish are permanent residents.
4.) I decided on this stock list myself.
5.) If you are going to reason with someone, then provide evidence for your reasonings, and be prepared to read what others say. This may sound rather egoistic, but I provided plenty of evidence in response to posts by others. What is the response to that? :)
So, have a good day y'all! Peace out, chillax and enjoy the hobby. Don't get your panties (or whatever you wear) in a bunch! :)
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Piggybear sad. Piggybear no get to be famous anymore. :(
Hi The Reefuge, I do agree with you. A chicken cooped up versus a chicken that is free to roam.Hello @Azedenkae,
I would like to respond to your post on a few points you have made.
I agree with you that there are sites on the internet that give an incorrect recommended tank size to house a specimen. However, I do not agree with you on this particular case. The community, collectively, agrees with this point of view. They have provided information about this, as well as asking you to not go ahead with your stock list before you filled your tank. These suggestions and pleas were ignored and you did what you wanted to do.
Again, this site is open for users to debate their point of view without getting attacked for it. However, as stated previously, I draw my line at ethics. Let's put this into a bit of perspective and assume you can legally do anything you like to an animal, including torture.
This chicken below came from a cage where she has no room to move. She lays eggs for us to enjoy during a lovely Sunday morning breakfast at home. This is legal.
In the next photo, she was let out of the cage and had been living as a free-range chicken for 3 months. As you can see, she looks a lot better as she is able to roam the fields.
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I don't think there would be a single person that will agree that when this chicken was caged was happier or healthier than when she was able to roam freely. This applies to your tank. Users (rightfully) got upset because you, a human being, are in a position of responsibility to care for the animals in your tank. You can debate evidence as much as you like, but ultimately, you did not post peer-reviewed evidence to back up your statement.
Under normal circumstances you should be free to do as you wish, even with the lack of evidence. However, in this case, failing to provide actual evidence to back up what you claim has a huge consequence, and that is the quality of life for the animals living in your tank.
So, if you are right and the community is wrong (with the lack of evidence), the best case scenario is that your fish survive in a confined space with relatively little room to move, and that is cruel. Now, that is the best case scenario for you.
There are some things that even though you could possibly be correct, does not make it right. Sure, I could lock up a child in a room and have them live their whole life in that room - as long as I provide something to stimulate their mind and find peer-reviewed evidence that it does not cause psychological or psychological damage, then it should all be fine. I can't see this going down well with the majority of people.
Personally, I would take the advice of the community and remove your fish. The choice is ultimately yours. As you made up your mind of what sort of community this is due to our actions, I will, and we will make up our minds on what kind of person you are based on your actions.
Thanks.
Your failure to take anything on board, despite users posting evidence that it common knowledge is staggering. In all fairness, you don't seem like a bad person. You have conducted yourself politely on these forums, but your inability to listen is a big weakness.Hi The Reefuge, I do agree with you. A chicken cooped up versus a chicken that is free to roam.
However, we are talking about a chick, not a chicken. A very small one at that. I mean, it is 4cm, not the adult size of 30cm. Sure, even a chick would appreciate more space, but that doesn't mean it doesn't appreciate what it has at the moment. With that logic, we can say we should release all our fish into the sea, because they'll appreciate that more so (minus the predators and stuff, size-wise I mean).
That's really what I am getting at, and has been from the start.
@bimbo: Apologies, I wasn't very clear (though it should have been if you read everything). The conclusion was that the websites and 'common knowledge' on tank sizes, at least for Clownfish is wrong, and that really no one knows what's too small and what's not. So whilst I can't say this will be fine, I can say that no one can say this won't be fine, as there's no evidence for that. There is evidence that people saying this is not fine based on the common websites/knowledge is wrong, from the links I posted is all. :) Hope that makes sense to you, finally. Otherwise I don't really know how else to state it.
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Like I said, it's you guys who are saying this is too small, and so you have to provide justifiable evidence for that. The evidence provided are invalid, so tada. :) Can't say it's too small.
As I see it that is all you have provided - statements that those accusations are wrong. You haven't provided any 'evidence' that this is a suitable sized tank for the fish that are in it.To be honest, it's gotten to the point where this will go nowhere. I will keep on being accused of treating my fish unfairly, and I'll keep on providing statements that those accusations are wrong.
You keep in saying that we need to have evidence of what you are doing is proven to be wrong but you yourself have not passed on any documents that what you doing is deemed correct in anyone's eyes. Can you re post like @bimbo asked. We would like to read it and see where you have gained your knowledge from.As I see it that is all you have provided - statements that those accusations are wrong. You haven't provided any 'evidence' that this is a suitable sized tank for the fish that are in it.
Unfortunately even if you disappear and don't update the thread, as long as you are keeping the fish in this tank they will be suffering.
I am a scientist by trade and as you are working outside of the 'norm' the onus is YOU to provide 'evidence' and prove and challenge the accepted views.