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Pfft, Like this hasn't been coming for a while now.
Thanks for the lead neo;)
Thanks for the lead neo;)
hmmm, in some ways I have no problems as long as the right people have access to it (Australia was one of the countries that actively approved and gave access to CIA's super computer in the 60's I think it was) Our intel should be in Australians hands not an os's hands. This is happening already, all they are changing is they are making a more integrated system that is smarter........Do I need to hide now?????
It should not be looked at as a system for the protection of the people, rather a system for the control of the people. In the last ten years governments have done everything in their power to silence the masses, and unfortunately are succeeding. The media is controlled, thus news is not known. The only thing humans have left is the internet. The internet enables us to quickly communicate with each other and governments do not like that. Things such as protests to keep the internet open will stop because of a system like TrapWire, as it will mean protesters will be stopped before they can even begin.
If you would be interest in pursuing the reasonings behind this further, I will be more than happy to post up links of major things that have taken place in recent times that most people do not know about because the media failed to report on it.
Thanks.
The biggest question that springs to mind is "Do you really trust your government?"
They are run by politicians whose primary goal is their own careers and not necessarily the best interests of our country or its people. Legal systems have the same level of "corruption" - many careers are made on sometimes questionable actions by those who those systems need to trust.
If the day ever came where we needed to stand up to our government, the last thing we would want is them having that much information on us - and they are doing their best to position themselves to have easy access to things about us that they really don't need to know.
Personally, I don't trust a government. They play games, they lie, and they try to look after their careers.
The massacre that was the TAFE funding cuts in Victoria is a great example of politics being far more about individuals careers than the best interests of the country.
They deregulate the training sector, give away too much money to private training providers with low overheads who are often providing substandard quality training, then decide that they need to cut the funding because they've over spent on what they budgeted (who'd have thought that so many providers would appear out of no where when you give away cash), so they slash a huge amount of funding to the one training organisation that has quality control, high overheads and actual training facilities - creating a huge and negative impact on training availability for people in regional areas, high volumes of course closures and a thousand + job losses. And our state government does this with some justification that the courses affected don't provide value to the economy instead of admitting that not only did it cock up in the deregulation, but it royally cocked up in its ability to properly accredit training providers. It's made more than a few millionaires by this, and it doesn't like to admit to that much either.
I smell a revolution on the horizon, ether that or full system collapse, which ever happens first :confused:
hell, I'd lead the charge myself to push it in ether direction, but I actually think i'm the smart one by jumping ship to a place thats sunny, where cops can be bought, and I can choose whether I pay tax or not..lol
You can Trapwire me peeing off the side of my mountain all you want spooks, then maybe you'll learn how to pee in the right direction
hell, I'd lead the charge myself to push it in ether direction, but I actually think i'm the smart one by jumping ship to a place thats sunny, where cops can be bought, and I can choose whether I pay tax or not..lol
You can Trapwire me peeing off the side of my mountain all you want spooks, then maybe you'll learn how to pee in the right direction
Agree,plus add the fact the fact that some kids aren't academic, TAFE funding cuts mean less VET courses etc in the schools that help these kids get a sense of achievement and self worth that make them contributing members of society. Been massive staff cuts in Bendigo, Echuca and Shepparton TAFES, I know some kids that are concerned that they won't be able to finish their apprenticeships due to funding. It is all very well to push money into universities but who is going to build the houses, fix the toilets or replace a light switch or service your car, immigrants? Where does it leave our kids?
Pollies are pollies the world over, they come and they go, to me the ones that are most concerning are the behind the scenes ones that sway them with their own agendas, NRA in America is a very good example and it would be naive to think that there is not "consultants" influencing policy for their own benefit here.
Agreed although I do think we have more freedom of speech than many countries still. One of my kids is autistic, around a year ago he researched online how to make weapons, drugs etc but also asks me if he is allowed to try making them himself.....um, no! However around the same time, anything we purchased from overseas was opened in customs and has been ever since if addressed to our address regardless of name. Prior to this, it was maybe one in ten....he also freaked because he received an email from the "FBI" saying they were observing him persuant to US laws, umm, he hadn't broken any and we don't live there. Told him they can't do anything as if what he had told me was true with his internet use than they can't prove it was not for a school assignment/debate etc. He is pretty honest, frustrating but honest.
Australia already allows the US to monitor our communications, has for years, they knew of the Bali threat well before it happened and did not warn ASIO in time for them to act. So much of what we have allowed access to is used for the purpose of undercutting international contracts etc and not for our benefit. I live in a town with no CCTV and I don't think they would justify the expense of a satellite hovering overhead. My eldest is a conspiracy theorist, I fully believe in Wikilinks being able to expose underhand dealings of any country as long as they are not endangering lives.
Universities are federally funded - something the media, and a lot of the arm chair commentators commenting on articles in the media fail to realise - so ultimately, what it is is the state trying to get away from actually having to fund courses. TAFE and non-higher ed training providers are mostly state funded.
I work for a dual sector University - so we have both Higher Ed and TAFE, and the overall funding processes between both are fairly complicated, and typically funding is quite specific - typically funds are granted for a specific purpose, and if you don't use it, you loose it - and it can be a long time between drinks.
I'm in Ballarat, and we have campuses up through Western Vic, and provide courses to other TAFE campuses within Vic. VET is fairly safe - most of the apprenticeship based courses we have should be largely OK. As for the rest.... not something I dare comment on.
State government doing right by the next generation huh?
As for pollies - agendas are always the thing. NRA - great example of agendas behind people looking after their careers.
Freedom of Speech is a funny thing - it's only free until you upset someone. We are largely, excuse the term - "the US's bitch". We've bowed to their requests for decades. There were a lot of interesting information leaks back at the time that Gough was removed - and some of those pointed out that the US very much needed him out of the way because he was asking the wrong questions; said information came from a US intelligence officer working at Pine Gap.
As the world moves forward, the US will try to take more liberties with information belonging to the rest of the world - CISPA, SOPA, et al., all mechanisms that they've tried to push to open the door on being able to watch the whole world. Cloud computing is a term getting around a lot now, and that has a lot of interesting implications on data ownership and control.
Our government has also been pushing for data retention laws here - something that will be as expensive for many organisations as it is outright frightening.
Doesn't sound like a big deal? Imagine what happens if your computer gets infected with malware, it sucks in some kiddie porn, and you unknowingly become a server for said kiddie porn. In about a day or so, you realise you have a virus because your internet connection is going nuts and it barely works. You get your computer cleaned up, and the whole thing is wiped out and you think nothing of it. A year and a half later, the police arrive, cease your computers and arrest you. The virus is long gone, and person who cleaned it up may or may not have records of fixing your computer, so you have nothing to prove your innocence.
Prosecutor sees pics out of the son's room, sees some youngish girls in swimsuits on the wall, maybe a Playboy under the mattress and decides there's enough of a hint to suggest motive for having some interest in underage naughty stuff.
You get a youngish prosecutor looking to make a career for themselves - so they're a little unscrupulous. The data is gone, but it doesn't matter - they have the evidence - they have the data from your ISP showing you were serving kiddie porn to the world.
You of course, can only get access to the logs that they've submitted against you, so you can't easily paint a picture of how unusual that behaviour is in your regular internet usage. Of course, every nudie picture legal or otherwise that ever got downloaded through your internet connection as far back as they have data on will be there to haunt you, and to paint a picture to suit their argument. They'll probably even start arguing that your emails are code words for other things - because it just so happens that your ISP has to retain them as well.
Innocent until proven guilty is a funny thing - they throw a stack of technical evidence at a jury who don't understand anything other than "child porn", and you're really not in a good situation. Hell - even if the jury finding is "not guilty", the allegation is still a tar brush. At least if they had to come around while your machine was pushing this stuff out, a forensic tech would work out in about an hour that you had malware and hadn't done anything wrong.
All of a sudden, all that retained data is a really bad thing. Sure it might help with the real criminals, but it can adversely affect an innocent person. Raw data without context can paint a whole lot of different pictures depending on the person reading them - especially when they get the luxury of ignoring the inconvenient bits, and have an agenda to read whatever they want into them.
Totally agree, worked in hospitals that had both state and federal funding and wages for the same job differed depending on which section of the hospital you were employed in and the funding that was allocated eg hostels were federal, nursing home state, medical and surgical had a bit of both. The amount of paperwork required to get funding, prove level of care and need was astronomical.
Yep, I love a good argument and have many times twisted some ones words to suit a different situation in a way that frustrates them (they know that I am not serious) but when the same thing is done by unknown people or organisations with an agenda to push.....very scary. I think the idea is good in many ways eg a friend has an intervention order, the person who was not allowed near her did a u turn, followed her to a shopping centre and kept her within sight, police accessed cctv and he was charged with breaching the order....yep good, reported crime supported with evidence but the whole pre emptive idea, who has access and who makes the decision on what is or is not relevant or watch worthy is so open to interpretation, getting a divorce? Feed the ex into the system as a suspect etc. A few years back they had a talk back radio show on while I was driving, talking about things you have done to get back at co workers, someone from Centrelink had been made redundant, her supervisor had gone to lunch and not shut down her system properly so she deleted client updates for that day and she was boasting about it on radio...criminal in my book. Who watches those that watch over us? Where is the answerability and where/who has access to what information and under what circumstances? As fast as safeguards are created, they can and will be breached, my eldest did a M$ course, they were taught how to hack. Reasoning behind it> clients that forget passwords or need to access a former employees computer. I couldn't give a damn who knows my health records, I have nothing to hide but I know that many don't feel the same eg bi-polar and going for a job interview in case it affects employment. You should have the right to deny access to that eg wanting a second but fresh opinion and not being judged by a previous dx. On the other hand I can see where centralised health records can save lives eg adrenal crisis, allergy listing etc. It is not so much the information itself that is a problem but the way it could be used against a person in a detrimental way without knowledge.
Paedophile example to me isn't really a good one, I know someone who did that with knowledge, also used to be a foster parent and seen far too much of the damage that is done to young children. Yes I know that they can hack etc but I like that they get tracked back under those circumstances, would rather try and prove my innocence than let one walk free. The other side of the issue is little known of how to deal with it on a local level. A few years ago I recieved an email offering kiddie porn with kids as young as four, instead of deleting it with all the penis enlargement spam, I rang the police, recommended to delete it, argued that I didn't want to as if this was genuine it was important to be handled, told to ring crimestoppers, they recommended to ring the police, told them what I was told and then forwarded the email onto them and they were going to sort out who would be the right person/dept to deal with it. About a year later it was on the news that there was a big international round up, don't know if my email helped or not but nice to think it may have. I think when it comes to computer crimes it is important if innocent to have a good representation that will put the experts out there and question the methods use in a knowledgeable way. Yeah the tar can stick but sometimes it can backfire too onto the accuser. Apparently really common these days if getting divorced you accuse the partner of touching your child inappropriately! Child is put through a medical and psych exam to be told no sign of abuse. Accuser is then publically shamed for using their child that way.
Who here uses peerguardian? Blocks all know goverment computers from accessing yours :)
Yep, I love a good argument and have many times twisted some ones words to suit a different situation in a way that frustrates them (they know that I am not serious) but when the same thing is done by unknown people or organisations with an agenda to push.....very scary. I think the idea is good in many ways eg a friend has an intervention order, the person who was not allowed near her did a u turn, followed her to a shopping centre and kept her within sight, police accessed cctv and he was charged with breaching the order....yep good, reported crime supported with evidence but the whole pre emptive idea, who has access and who makes the decision on what is or is not relevant or watch worthy is so open to interpretation, getting a divorce? Feed the ex into the system as a suspect etc. A few years back they had a talk back radio show on while I was driving, talking about things you have done to get back at co workers, someone from Centrelink had been made redundant, her supervisor had gone to lunch and not shut down her system properly so she deleted client updates for that day and she was boasting about it on radio...criminal in my book. Who watches those that watch over us? Where is the answerability and where/who has access to what information and under what circumstances? As fast as safeguards are created, they can and will be breached, my eldest did a M$ course, they were taught how to hack. Reasoning behind it> clients that forget passwords or need to access a former employees computer. I couldn't give a damn who knows my health records, I have nothing to hide but I know that many don't feel the same eg bi-polar and going for a job interview in case it affects employment. You should have the right to deny access to that eg wanting a second but fresh opinion and not being judged by a previous dx. On the other hand I can see where centralised health records can save lives eg adrenal crisis, allergy listing etc. It is not so much the information itself that is a problem but the way it could be used against a person in a detrimental way without knowledge.
Paedophile example to me isn't really a good one, I know someone who did that with knowledge, also used to be a foster parent and seen far too much of the damage that is done to young children. Yes I know that they can hack etc but I like that they get tracked back under those circumstances, would rather try and prove my innocence than let one walk free. The other side of the issue is little known of how to deal with it on a local level. A few years ago I recieved an email offering kiddie porn with kids as young as four, instead of deleting it with all the penis enlargement spam, I rang the police, recommended to delete it, argued that I didn't want to as if this was genuine it was important to be handled, told to ring crimestoppers, they recommended to ring the police, told them what I was told and then forwarded the email onto them and they were going to sort out who would be the right person/dept to deal with it. About a year later it was on the news that there was a big international round up, don't know if my email helped or not but nice to think it may have. I think when it comes to computer crimes it is important if innocent to have a good representation that will put the experts out there and question the methods use in a knowledgeable way. Yeah the tar can stick but sometimes it can backfire too onto the accuser. Apparently really common these days if getting divorced you accuse the partner of touching your child inappropriately! Child is put through a medical and psych exam to be told no sign of abuse. Accuser is then publically shamed for using their child that way.
Who here uses peerguardian? Blocks all know goverment computers from accessing yours :)
Don't put too much confidence in that. Any government wanting access to your computer has access in ways you don't want to know about, and in ways that most people will never understand. Things like the cryptography algorithms used for securing data and websites - typically developed by, or with the NSA's assistance, and they've been known to build their own backdoors into secured systems.
Of course - the woefully inadequate security of systems like Windows make it fairly trivial to get you to load some malware infected webpage - a java exploit is nice and easy, from there, a nice simple little trojan that can disable your AV (happens a lot), open up a few new back doors incase you happen to some how clean the virus, and bang.. you're owned. And that's with you running an average internet security application. I remove viruses with this type of functionality a few times a day, and none of those users actually went anywhere they shouldn't have, and they're on a well secured corporate network.
Peerguardian is handy for people that insist on using torrents, but that's about the extent of it. A media file with some well crafted DRM could phone home and dob you in anyway. With Peer to peer, you technically provide pirated material to other people, which is why they chase P2P users for so much money. If they can't see you providing it to someone else, they can't prosecute you for as much, which is why booby trapping the files isn't quite so lucrative. On that note, I've heard that Sony are starting to embed things in their content so they can't be played through PS3s.
I know but I make the kids use it :) Seriously if anyone is good enough they can do it to any system virtually anywhere and at anytime let alone a poor old home PC. As the saying goes you only lock the doors to keep the good guys out :D
I hate that brands are starting to do that, I heard that too and I think people will walk away from brands that limit how a purchased item can be used,
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