Yeah mscott, we know where your going......extradited to America! :p
Well, if they start coming up with bullshit laws like these, they have the potential for abuse. What overreaching laws are initially intended for is never what they wind up being used for.So realy, the whole/majority of todays youth has to get on a plane and make a trip to the US, im quite sure that nearly every single person has, or has had someone on their internet, who has watched/downloaded/listened to any song movie ext, before release of the DVD...... you get where im going with this...
This is true. However with CISPA it makes this an entirely different offence (not just pirating or Copyright infringment law). They can (according to my understanding of this law) now throw additional charges into the mix, such as internet terrorism, and "protecting the children" clauses. As you said it make abuse of the system a very real threat to anyone and everyoneMovie sharing is an interesting one - because no US systems need to be involved. The fact that it's a copyright infringement against an American company will be the problem. Once they get a trail that leads in your direction, they can then access irrelevant information about you that they can use to support their case and otherwise find out who you are.
There's that too - pretty sure I've covered that already, but was going off on a tangent for their ability to leverage these laws to assist with civil cases well.This is true. However with CISPA it makes this an entirely different offence (not just pirating or Copyright infringment law). They can (according to my understanding of this law) now throw additional charges into the mix, such as internet terrorism, and "protecting the children" clauses. As you said it make abuse of the system a very real threat to anyone and everyone
Now you understand why the masses need to know and send a clear message. If you can make the most powerful government in the world back down, then maybe there's a hope for us.well shit, i said crap like that when i was 16, (not long ago, but long enough), there has to be a line drawn somewhere.
This same shit is probly going to happen with our governments NBP (national broardband plan), they will then control the internet, they have the ability to see what we're viewing without haveing to go thru a 3rd party (telstra, optus) ect ect
Hi mscott,lets go back a step, just so i can understand fully.
Its an american law, so what juristiction does it hold over the aussie person?? the way its going thru my head, it holds no sway over us, so any info they gain over us is breaking their own jurisdictional boundries, so if they then try to extradite said aussie, would it just end with:
person A: "On what charge?"
B: "cyber threats"
A:"How did you get this information?"
B:"Cispa"
A:"Hold no jurisdiction over aussie citizens, goodbye".
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i probly didn't add the bit in behind my thinking...Hi mscott,
Try not to look at it as "their" problem. Instead, try to look at every person on earth as a part of yourself. Don't look at nations as a different country, but look at it as land with water separating it. If you are not concerned about the politics of another country, and things like this pass, soon it will be in your backyard. We are running out of time as humans, and letting the corrupt do what they do is further separating humans from each other. We must always, no matter what, look out for each other.
BY the only way we can - we fill their channels of information flow with the information they need to understand what's happening, and what it means and keep jamming it down their throats until they wake up and realise that things are broken.So my ultimate question of relevance is how do you reach the younger folk correctly in this regard?.
you brain washer lmao :pBY the only way we can - we fill their channels of information flow with the information they need to understand what's happening, and what it means and keep jamming it down their throats until they wake up and realise that things are broken.
The younger generation didn't have to grow up with the cold war, with the Berlin wall and major unrest in the same way that we did. They just got to see some terrorists from some patch of dirt in the middle of nowhere being pissed at the western world.
They're not yet old enough to fully understand the world and what's going on, what it's history has taught us and what we know is likely to happen in the future.
Sadly, they are our future, and the world has got them so pre-occupied with their electronic toys that they're not really aware of the real world. They have all of this fantastic technology, and yet the best thing that most of them can do is type a shorthand message into Twitter. Our only hope is to catch them where they're focussed and repeat the message until it sinks in.
Bombarding servers is denial of service and it's not as efficient as it used to be. A lot of technology now exists to detect these kinds of attacks and deal with them before it impacts services.i probly didn't add the bit in behind my thinking...
If we can defend ourselfs in say that fashion against it, then even if it does pass in the US, we have the ability to bombard their servers with the fact that its utter BS, also we would be able to make more of a push at our government to talk to them about it, as i believe it would be against their constitution, and ours.
Kinda like slapping a gypsie and stealing their hat, you know the consequences..lolBombarding servers is denial of service and it's not as efficient as it used to be. A lot of technology now exists to detect these kinds of attacks and deal with them before it impacts services.
The best you can do now these days is a brief interruption. Or you can find a weakness, take it down, and perhaps keep them offline for a day or two while they work out how you got in, and lets face it, you haven't really achieved much. It's great to send a message to those who you attacked, but once you've done it, you can't play that hand again.
The things we need to do - they're brain washed by the media and by technology to the point that they expect things to happen for them in the way that they want it, when they want it. It's a phenomena that's well noted within the tertiary education sector - students literally now demand to learn in the way that suits them rather than via the traditional methods that have worked quite well for a long time. There's some sad irony in kids thinking that they know better than those trying to educate them on how to learn.you brain washer lmao :p
I think this was always inevitable. The Internet has always been that uncontrolled world that one day someone was going to want to control. The use (or abuse) is really not relevant. At some point someone would want to control it. China has already setup walls around its users to control them. It was inevitable that one day another country was going to do this - unfortunately it just happens to be the country that hosts most of the major online systems that the world uses.After reading 'vspec' s reply, I have had a thought that this is possibly something we have brought on ourselves (ourselves being Gen Y and X and our thirst for the coolest technology) in that we have abused the internet to such a level (who can say they haven't abused it :p) that the congress feels this is the best way to pull the reigns on 'illegal' activities. Let's face it, the internet is our everday life, whether we like to admit it or not, and it's human nature to find the easiest and cheapest method of getting something, especially 'something for nothing' so to speak.
I do continue to strongly agree that this is possibly the stupidest thing America has done, but with vspecs comments it does put that thought of this could have been brought upon by ourselves.
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